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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast my name is ryan the

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original outlaw of the airwaves bringing

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you an epic episode today

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we have michael wazowski

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he is with dimensional walking a

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paranormal journey which is a youtube

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channel that you need to make sure and

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join

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michael has an amazing series on the

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dulce bass on youtube and is extremely

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informative

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and has a great knowledge base

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having to do

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with the dulce underground base and the

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arcelita mesa as well as archuleta

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mountain

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michael wazowski has delved

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into the dual same mystery for quite

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some time and brings a lot of

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experiences and knowledge he has

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gathered throughout the years to the

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table i'm i'm really excited to talk to

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him so let's just get to it michael

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wazowski

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hi how you doing

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can you hear me okay

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i can how are you i'm doing good

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looks like we're all set here i'm

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excited to uh finally talk to you about

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all this this is uh

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pretty interesting stuff and

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um

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my it's michael correct

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it is mike well give me mike or michael

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i don't know michael reckle and i wanted

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to uh say your last name correctly is it

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wazowski

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was there is do you know the story

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behind it no you know my you know

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monsters inc oh that's right that's

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right now i know

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i'm the real one oh i love it it's a

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crazy story

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hear about it

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so probably about um

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ali i did the olympic games

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1996. i i'm a logistics guru so i ran a

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lot of this stuff for the olympics

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in atlanta georgia

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so i met a lot of people from around the

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world right so okay that all went pretty

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well i guess with a million stories i

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could tell you but i won't tell you

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but anyways uh so i met a bunch of

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people from around the world and then i

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did the olympics in salt lake city in

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or 2002 i guess well i was there in one

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the point is uh

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i was there in in at the olympics i

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started getting these uh boxes of this

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little uh and i opened it up i didn't

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know who it was from they did that

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purposely

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inside was mike wazowski dao you know

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you know what you know what i'm talking

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about yeah the big eye yeah yeah so

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anyways i didn't know who it was from

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and i got like a second i may have got

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three and i think the third one maybe

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was the second one it i i found out who

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it was from so i called this person up i

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said what the f

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are you sending me these dolls for

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because i didn't know i didn't know

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anything about it i had no clue

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so then they explained to me that this

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movie had come out in europe and it came

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out in europe before it came to united

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states right

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so i'm saying holy crap this is crazy

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but what is even more crazy ryan that

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about 15 years before that i had written

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a what i wouldn't want to call it a

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screenplay it was more just an article

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it was like when the internet first

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started out so i kind of threw this out

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here and it was on some website i don't

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even remember a paranormal website and

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it was like kind of like the whole thing

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about a monsters inc the movie and how

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you know one of my theories has always

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been that aliens were here to kind of

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harvest our energies and i meant all

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types of energy sexual energy uh

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you know just says screaming hollering

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getting angry you know that was one of

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the reasons we had so many wars i mean i

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i really went into this big deal you

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know i thought holy crap this is great

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forgot about it completely well i mean i

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forgot about it i mean i i remembered it

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but i didn't know the connection

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and after i said holy crap this is

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exactly what i done

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and then the name kind of named the main

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character after me so it was the

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weirdest thing i don't know any of the

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connections and you know another funny

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thing i ended up working and did some

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work for disney oh so

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i'm in synchronicity memphis

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yes i'm in memphis and i was a it was a

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i was a contractor a

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logistic contractor for them so i was

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running one of their facilities

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and what happened was that one of the

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big wheels from england came over and

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he's i don't know he just i just heard

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my name and he like freaked out because

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the whole you know the warehouse at the

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time was loaded michael satsuki dolls

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so he's he's taking me around and

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showing and he's just going crazy and i

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said jesus you know i'm kind of pissed

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off because i really should have got a

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piece of that action you know

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and because i told him the story because

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i felt kind of embarrassed because he

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was like leading me around like a little

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puppy dog and introduced i guess he

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there were some people there that didn't

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know the little story and i really

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didn't tell him many people but i guess

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i was in a good mood that day or

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something so anyways bottom line was to

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say oh you should have done that i said

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yeah well unfortunately i can't find all

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this stuff anymore i don't know too much

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about it but anyways that's my mike

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wazowski story that is so neat

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that is when you said that when you

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mentioned monsters inc it it all it made

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sense you know i know

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um i really enjoyed your uh

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your dimensional walking on paranormal a

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paranormal journey on youtube and right

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um i want to make sure that everybody is

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sure to join your youtube channel

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because yes please yeah

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that that two-part series on the dulce

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bass is extremely informative and it's

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worth a listen by all i believe it's

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three parts is it five parts

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it's three wow it's three yeah there's

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an interview um golly what was it it's

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actually been a few weeks now but there

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is three complete ones she did

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she did a few question and answer thing

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oh it was uh it was pretty good so

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you've really delved into the the dulce

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underground base phenomena for quite

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some time and and you bring a lot of uh

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experiences and knowledge that you've

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gathered throughout the years to the

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table so i commend you on that it's

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fascinating and

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um thanks so much for joining me on the

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podcast michael i appreciate it

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yeah no no problem glad to be here

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how did you first become aware or

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interested in the in the dual say based

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mystery

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well you know i i was kind of there a

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a founding member i guess and i've

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eventually ran the new mexico uh ufo

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paranor forum which was kind of a become

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middle of a lot of stuff right

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i i would you know as time went on i met

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people that were interested and we

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talked they would talk about and kind of

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and kind of got me all fired up

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and then when um

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just so you know he's a good friend of

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mine yeah i've had norio on the podcast

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great have you great great yeah yeah he

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didn't he didn't mention i didn't really

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mention i was going to be on it but uh

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anyways he had uh originally i was a

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little leery in in when i did it to not

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you know i didn't know where i was going

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to go with the conversation when i did

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my other mother three or the other two

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um so i left it as mr n i think that's

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where you picked up on the mr end thing

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right yeah no problem norio quickly

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uh commented in you know make sure he

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got the credit that he was mr n so you

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know i know it's all it's all good good

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and well sony's we're good friends but

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the the interesting thing was i uh

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linorio and then of course there was

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gabe valdez and then there's uh there's

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uh and i don't want to some of these

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names i'm not going to give you the full

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name sure uh there's another guy you

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know that had all these cattle

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mutilations

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uh up in that area which is all

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connected by the way and uh so

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that were kind of not only in somewhat

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involved but we're doing some research

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and i had privy to their some of their

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research and a lot of conversation so

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does that answer your question yeah

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that's that's really that's really where

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it got all juiced up and going you know

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i also helped do a conference there

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called wake up now conference in

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in albuquerque uh where there was people

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well let's see here yeah including gabe

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was there i don't know if he spoke i

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can't remember as a while back but

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anyways there's a lot of

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conversation things that were going on

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there because of dolsy being close to

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so it just stimulated

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my interest and i had some friends that

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uh besides gabe owning a ranch up there

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i had uh uh you know i had some other

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friends that owned property there that

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would tell me about

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uh you know ufos and things like that up

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there so it was always kind of a a go-to

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point and when oriol decided to have the

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conference there it was basically a

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no-brainer for me

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yeah it's so neat and that whole area i

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it is possibly one of the

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you know it's not just like the mesa or

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the mountain i've talked to so many

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people as you said who own properties

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around there

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and it's far and wide the high

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strangeness is far and wide in that area

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yeah yeah well that's the land of

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enchantment uh you know there's so many

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so many stories there's so many things i

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uh you know learned and did i mean i

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i've lived all over the country so i did

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a lot of things in other parts but i

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guess

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uh

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mexico probably i i don't want to i

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don't call anything in the united states

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or the world any hot spots people do

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that i don't like it because i believe

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from my research that the stuff happens

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everywhere

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just happens to be in those places

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there's underground bases in new mexico

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you know these there's you know kirkland

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air force base there's uh sandia labs

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there's los alamos you know there's

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dulce area which is you know obviously

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controversial it isn't a solid place you

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can drive up to and and hang out and

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know it's there it's kind of one of

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those mysterious things as we know and

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that's why we're talking about it today

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but uh yeah there's a lot of things

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there i mean rainbow and i have you know

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uh seen dogman there actually had a

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confrontation with a dog man you know

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we've had you know all that's on

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dimensional walking uh but there's just

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a lot of stuff going on skin walkers

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we've done skin walkers uh it's there is

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a lot of stuff there there's no doubt

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about it and if i was if i was into

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calling things a hot spot i guess i'd

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probably call it a hot spot yeah yeah

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that i'm very intrigued about the uh the

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the skinwalkers and the dog men it was

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it was it near where the quote-unquote

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base was or i mean probably fairly close

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it sounds like well the dogman incident

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was when uh we lived in albuquerque and

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are you familiar with albuquerque sure

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okay so you know where sandia mountain

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is uh-huh

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yeah well on the other side there's a

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big forest back there there's a ski

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resort up on top and there's a forest so

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we would go up there and hike a lot

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and so one day and i won't give you the

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whole the whole thing because it'll take

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us a while but one day we're up on that

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mountain we're doing and we actually saw

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one running moving through on a pathway

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and so we followed it up there and

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basically told us don't come any closer

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and we were able to get some long shots

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of it in the trees and you can go to our

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what we have a website to uh trueseeker

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forum

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which is where i've written for 13 years

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on there and on there if you do vortex

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photography

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you can you'll get i believe that

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picture is on there somewheres and

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there's so much stuff on there it's hard

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to find it sometimes

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but

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anyways so we had this confrontation

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basically with it at a distance yeah and

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rainbow being rainbow being an impasse

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she had a very strong feeling

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even i got it was so strong and i even

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got i'm not i don't consider myself a

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strong empath but i do i do have some of

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those abilities

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it's basically told us to back off and

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don't come any closer and we honor we

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always honor any of that feeling

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especially in the woods or wherever

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we're researching if something tells us

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to back off we back off amen i i respect

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that

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how did you first meet gabe valdez and

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how did this change or add to your

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it was one of our

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initial meetings of the new mexico

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ufo paranormal forum i don't even we

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call it something else then but anyways

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we used to meet initially before we

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really got going

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we met a group of there was probably

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seven of us

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and one of the people in oriole so we

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used to meet at our houses so we

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happened to be meeting at

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his house norrio's house

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and

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there was gabe i didn't know it

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gabe kind of showed up and that was my

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introduction with gabe and of course he

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was he's just the most fascinating guy

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he'd ever want to meet and he just kind

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of went into some of the stuff that he

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knew about and and what he had done and

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you know he was in the academy relations

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and he was you know he was this

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police uh let's see what they call him

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new mexico police

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state police and he that was his area up

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there and

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and so he just was knew everybody

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and you know so he had a lot to talk

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about and he had you know he was he was

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into a lot of ufos you know he was that

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and he he

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he shared pretty freely i don't want to

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say he told us everything but he

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definitely in that group little group of

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like-minded people he did share a lot

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with us so anyways that was that was how

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i met him and then we kind of kept over

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the years we kept up with emails back

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and forth and occasionally he would come

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to my group i think it was there twice

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and then he was at you know this wake up

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conference i told you about

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this ufo kind of

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paranormal conference that we did in

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albuquerque i can't remember what year

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it was but anyway so he was there and

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then we had some interesting

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conversations

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there and that's

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i guess at that point that's where where

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gabe uh

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offered to take me up to the cindy among

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and

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show me some stuff

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amazing and

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uh

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gabe valdez and a gentleman i'll i'll

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just call dr howard

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witnessed

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to keep his last name secret is you want

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to keep it secret i don't know oh i know

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who it is i know you're talking about

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okay listen

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doctor howard alice so

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he was an answer paula just

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okay they witnessed something like

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symbols or drawings on archuleta

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mountain

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can we go into those a little bit yeah i

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well i

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you know here's the interesting thing

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about that i i've heard about them

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um

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and uh i can i well we'll see how the

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question goes uh

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i i've not actually seen those i know

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that there's but there was talk when we

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were up there at the conference

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some people talking about that

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uh i kinda know where they are

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uh

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but you know i've been throughout new

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mexico i i'm sure you're aware of it

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that there's a the glyphs uh are

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everywheres there's all kinds of glyphs

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and a lot of them which are just similar

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to these also have these symbols that

447
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look like ufos that look like they're uh

448
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possible aliens space aliens with big

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heads with big eyes and and very similar

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things i believe that's what it was now

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there may have been more things i didn't

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have a specific conversation with with

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either dr howard uh or uh gabe on those

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specific things but i do know of them

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and i believe

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probably they exist so amazing you may

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know more about it than i do actually

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and um along the same lines i i've heard

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the stories of the vents

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and others have seen vents as well is

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that correct sure yes that is well that

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is correct and that was one of the

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things that the wake up conference

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actually was one of the last

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conversations i ever had with gabe

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before he died uh was that he came to me

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he approached me

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i was there i was working the conference

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and so i was really busy because i had

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we had to do the speaker you know it's

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just there's a lot of stuff that goes

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into doing a conference right so i

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really didn't have a whole lot of time

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but i did kind of go off to the side

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with him and he approached me and said

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listen mike

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i want to take you up there and i want

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to show you one of the events and of

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course we had talked he had talked about

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the vents but he never invited me up to

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see them

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and of course you know he went into the

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whole thing and i i said yeah you had

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told us about it blah blah blah

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and he said sure you know let's hook up

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i can't really talk about it anymore

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because i'm in the middle of a

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conference

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and i'll you know we'll hook up and

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we'll call and you know call each other

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or email or whatever and we'll set

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something up

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well unfortunately as as time went on

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you know he he he died

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and uh i never really never got up there

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but there were other people that had

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talked about the vents and supposedly

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facade events um and they were pretty

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impressed i mean one of the things they

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always said is

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it was kind of weird and it was a little

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unnerving because

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even then because a lot of people feel

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that the base is inactivated he said you

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could not so much hear anything but you

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could feel the kind of warmth there's

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some kind of air coming out of it yeah

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which is a was a little which was a

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little creepy scary if you consider what

510
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could be down there do you know what i'm

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saying absolutely no so anyways it was

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like holy crap i'm going to go up to

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sniff some air that god only knows there

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could be aliens down there or something

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i you don't really know

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but anyways i believe i believe gabe i

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believe the event was there you know and

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uh you know i was a bit excited a little

519
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anxious a little cautious

520
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about going up there but one thing about

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gabe is he didn't know

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you know it's obviously on the

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reservation the hickory apache nation

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okay

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and he didn't know them all so i felt

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much better i would not have never gone

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up with a non-i i would call it

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non-native and or gabe that was kind of

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the choice it was either gator or a

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native

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that i knew well you know i wouldn't

532
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want to be dumped in the event that's

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for sure so

534
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yeah

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it it could have been something really

536
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interesting but you know i did get a

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long conversation with gabe

538
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about the whole situation plus other

539
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people norio included he knew a lot of

540
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stuff too that he had heard from gabe

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and other people so i i was i was really

542
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lucky to be in a position at that time

543
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to to be able to get this type of

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information um anyways so that's that's

545
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that you really were my gosh and

546
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just you know the the back to the vent

547
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thing i i remember uh

548
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hearing about from a friend of mine

549
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known as dave rosenfeld

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he he studies another base up here in

551
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:36,240
utah known as the dugway proving ground

552
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:37,760
oh my gosh

553
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:40,640
really the dugway yeah and i lived in

554
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,120
utah you know oh yeah

555
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,039
we did some of our own research over

556
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:46,880
there and got ourselves into some

557
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,679
trouble yeah it's wild out there

558
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,440
and it's a similar thing

559
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:53,840
similar thing he he mentioned

560
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,480
some vents and i i sure enough went and

561
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:58,480
i didn't believe it and i've kind of

562
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,919
similar to what you were saying where

563
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,080
you can feel that air coming in yeah and

564
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,080
it's like it's got to go somewhere

565
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,720
so i believe that 100 that is so neat

566
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,280
you used to live in utah that's great

567
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:11,440
oh yeah see we've been a skinwalker

568
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,720
ranch and we've had if you look you know

569
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,039
i think our one of our videos talks

570
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:19,600
about that pretty specifically uh about

571
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,240
skinwalker ranch and the stuff we well

572
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:25,039
we never got in it but the things that

573
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,039
came and followed us back home are

574
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,600
pretty incredible that is that

575
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:34,710
that area you did yeah so

576
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,440
i own a property just south of it uh

577
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,840
adjacent to the south border known as

578
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,840
space wolf research and what you're

579
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:44,000
saying though that that stuff coming

580
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,120
home with you

581
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:47,919
is a very very real

582
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,720
yeah yeah i mean we can you know anytime

583
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,720
you want to talk about that i'd probably

584
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,240
love to if you want to do another

585
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,559
interview on that we can tell you and

586
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,000
even though we've talked about it before

587
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,000
i mean you've had since you had some of

588
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,559
the same thing it may be a good one to

589
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,159
do but i love to have rainbow here

590
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,240
because she was the one that had the

591
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,240
director she's the empath

592
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,400
so she makes she makes contact with

593
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,440
beings

594
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,559
and

595
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,400
the experience we had after we came back

596
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,080
from belsey was

597
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:17,760
i mean i'm sorry came back from skin

598
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,559
milwaukee ranch and plus

599
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,400
uh yeah there's another little aspect of

600
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:24,240
it when i did the olympics there i had

601
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,600
somebody to work for me that was a

602
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,120
policeman up there

603
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,600
and the stories he told me were

604
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,480
oh

605
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,440
shocking i'm sure to me we're shocking

606
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,960
we're quite shocking what happened with

607
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,880
him so anyways

608
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,960
you know that's that's up to you uh but

609
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,480
we could do that sometime in the future

610
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,000
right that would be great i would love

611
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,919
to that's kind of i

612
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:45,919
it fascinates me and i could talk about

613
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,640
that all day it yeah yeah yeah no no no

614
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,480
we were we were we always wanted it was

615
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:52,720
kind of our go-to place and when i got a

616
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,679
i got an opportunity to go back to utah

617
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:57,679
we took the opportunity

618
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,640
um and i was just doing i was doing my

619
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:03,600
my work you know making a living type

620
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,080
work but we had a lot of time and we did

621
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,320
exploring we went to we went to dallas

622
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,240
and we went to uh at del se keep going

623
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,720
and getting back to chelsea but dug away

624
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:15,280
and we did a lot of stuff uh up in the

625
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,320
mountains you know we we did uh and you

626
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:19,919
know i knew a lot of people there

627
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,480
because i did the olympics and you know

628
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,799
i had you know uh

629
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:26,480
connections there let's just put it that

630
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,000
way so we were lucky enough to uh

631
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,080
be able to kind of move around

632
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,000
i don't want to say freely but sort of

633
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,880
freely i guess in a way but anyways yes

634
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,640
we found utah quite

635
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,200
fascinating and a little scary at the

636
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,919
same time yeah the southwest in general

637
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,159
just seems to be you know

638
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,400
kind of getting back to that a lot along

639
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:50,880
along the lines of skinwalker ranch and

640
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,840
sure dulce and dugway and all this stuff

641
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,400
you know portals and vortexes

642
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,559
have been reported on or around

643
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,880
archuleta mesa and archuleta right

644
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,440
mountain right quite often have you

645
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,360
heard any stories about the portals and

646
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,440
vortexes in the area

647
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,120
um

648
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,279
yeah i yeah i'm going to just tell you

649
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,240
one when we came when we did the con

650
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,840
well norio did the conference we

651
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:18,240
assisted but when we when we went up

652
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,760
there was a group of us

653
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,240
that got there early and that was the

654
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,799
the conference was on a sunday sunday

655
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,400
morning it started it was like a one day

656
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,880
deal so we came on saturday and stayed

657
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,320
overnight

658
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,799
and before we went to the hotel we drove

659
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,600
out

660
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:35,760
to archuleta mesa we were able to get

661
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,799
out there

662
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:39,520
and didn't have any problems per se and

663
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,960
and of course we were going to kind of

664
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,960
use our past saying you know we're part

665
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,880
of the conference actually in reality

666
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,960
that may not have been a good thing but

667
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,400
we didn't have to use it but there was a

668
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,480
lot of people looking at us you know us

669
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,799
white people there uh we still stood out

670
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,320
like a sore thumb

671
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:57,360
but anyway so we went up to the kind of

672
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,909
and

673
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,320
you know one of the things i do

674
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:07,760
and and

675
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:10,480
it's is i'm a vortex photographer

676
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:13,760
so what i do is i take i take pictures

677
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,880
uh and i get weird creatures

678
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,679
and what i try to do is i have a guy

679
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:20,960
named uh

680
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,159
uh kiwani who is a is probably one of

681
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:26,960
the finest and the best uh researchers

682
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,159
in sasquatch and he also douses and he

683
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,919
he can douse maps and find vortexes

684
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,240
so what i typically have him do he'll do

685
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,919
a map

686
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,159
for me and then what we do is i would go

687
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,480
out and take these random shots and on

688
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:44,799
these random shots i'd find some really

689
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,840
interesting stuff okay so anyways i went

690
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,240
ahead i didn't know about the vortexes

691
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,559
but i took some shots of the side of the

692
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,039
mesa some random shots and in one of

693
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,120
them i got the strangest creature and i

694
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,720
believe it was a vortex there it felt

695
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,080
like a vortex

696
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,320
you go i got to tell you you can feel

697
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,799
them when you're you're actually either

698
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,200
close to them you probably always don't

699
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,799
want to be in them

700
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,880
but you can feel the energy the energy

701
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,600
is much different than just being normal

702
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,200
walking through a woods or whatever or

703
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,640
wherever you find the vortex can be

704
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:18,240
anywhere they can be in your frickin

705
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,039
house

706
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,640
you know there's nothing you don't have

707
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,400
to go too far there's vortexes

708
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,679
everywhere

709
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,120
and i i could tell you a really cool

710
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,960
story about one of the biggest we ran

711
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,760
across kiwani and i went ran across

712
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,799
years ago

713
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,120
but anyways so i looked this i said

714
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,200
jesus you know it feels like a vortex so

715
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:37,760
i go i did my random shots in the area

716
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,640
towards it and there was

717
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,039
this i guess a vortex area and there's

718
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,880
this creature it was the strangest

719
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:46,640
creature i've ever seen

720
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,480
it looked like a huge turtle

721
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,200
huge

722
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,600
it's kind of like a

723
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:57,039
flying

724
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,640
animated right there it just stopped

725
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:00,640
right in the opening of what i'll call a

726
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,640
vortex almost like a cave vortex and uh

727
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,360
anyways there it was it was crazy and

728
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,200
and the other people that i was with

729
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,360
actually did see it once i focused on it

730
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,200
they could see it kind with their naked

731
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,279
eye but they could see a lot better with

732
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,640
my uh

733
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,399
uh with the camera itself because i

734
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,240
would blow it up and then do it and of

735
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,039
course i kept the picture for later and

736
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,200
i believe it's on the true secret form

737
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,880
if you just put in your vortex

738
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,720
photography it'll it'll it'll be one of

739
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:30,480
the many vortex photographies i have on

740
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,279
there

741
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:33,520
so anyways that's that was my experience

742
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,600
with the board

743
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,640
now one more comment i will make is when

744
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,960
at the very end of the conference

745
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,520
uh and if you you listen to what i told

746
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,679
uh on the other ones i did the other

747
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,480
videos i talked about uh you know the

748
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,760
native americans coming and one of the

749
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:51,679
stories they told they used the word

750
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:55,120
vortex on that they would experience

751
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,880
things in border detectives areas on the

752
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,880
may on and around the mesa didn't go

753
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,559
into a whole lot of detail there were

754
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:03,840
some other things that came to my

755
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,159
attention because as i and we can talk

756
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,640
about that a little later but uh was

757
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,480
that some of these other things were

758
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,000
just so

759
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,399
unbelievable that i didn't pick up all

760
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,399
and it was all one two three hitting so

761
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,880
hard so fast with all these people it

762
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,880
was like i was i was overwhelmed and the

763
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,480
other people with me were

764
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,720
but uh so i try to remember as much as i

765
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,480
could i wrote down as much as i could

766
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,880
but i do remember somebody saying about

767
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:31,039
it talked about a vortex and they would

768
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,240
see a lot of stuff coming out of

769
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:33,520
vortexes

770
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,320
and

771
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,679
i want to say

772
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:37,120
it was probably on the mesa it's what

773
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,799
they were talking about so amazing and

774
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:41,840
the

775
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,720
portals or vortexes i definitely want to

776
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,320
hear about that

777
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,360
that's not here that's not in new mexico

778
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,440
now we're going to jump state now sure

779
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,000
sure yeah i'm okay with that yeah you're

780
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,880
you're the boss i guess right um yeah so

781
00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:02,799
there's a pla yeah so

782
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,080
i used to go on these mini

783
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:07,840
expeditions with kiwani lapseritis now

784
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,039
he's the sasquatch genius i mean you

785
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,120
know he's had made contact it's on and i

786
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,039
can go but anyways he's really

787
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,120
incredible so anyways he does the map

788
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,720
the dowsing right

789
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:20,799
so we are uh

790
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,279
we're in montana and we're gonna drive

791
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,960
he knew of a place

792
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,799
that he he called one of the largest

793
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,520
vortexes in in the world and what was

794
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,600
different about this one was or in the

795
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:33,279
united states i shouldn't say the world

796
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,480
united states

797
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,240
um one of the differences was this is

798
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:38,320
one of the more permanent ones

799
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:39,440
okay

800
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,480
uh the reason is is vortexes will move

801
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,480
because the earth creates some of the

802
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,960
vortexes and some of them do move and

803
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,960
most of them do move and some most of

804
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,120
them are small right

805
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:53,039
but there is some for some reason and i

806
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,799
don't really know why they're more

807
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,880
permanent so they're seem to be always

808
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,159
there

809
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,279
so anyways so we uh he's douses for this

810
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,200
thing and and there's a story behind

811
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,440
that but you know again it's the stores

812
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,360
are pretty long so we're gonna kind of

813
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,120
get right to the chase

814
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,520
and anyway so we find this vortex it

815
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,440
ended up being in idaho

816
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:14,960
and we're i'll just give you a general

817
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,679
location it's probably 40 miles outside

818
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,760
of missoula okay

819
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:21,279
and i'm not going to give you the exact

820
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:22,720
location because i don't want a lot of

821
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:25,679
people going there but it's uh it's it's

822
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,640
in a beautiful valley and uh anyways we

823
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,320
go to this vortex

824
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,200
and we hang out at the vortex

825
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,360
and it's a terrible day it's in june

826
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,440
it's snowing and it's sleeting and it's

827
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,799
absolutely unbelievably terrible and

828
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,000
we're going to sit we're going to kind

829
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,320
of hang out here and and see if

830
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,240
right by the vortex to see if something

831
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,399
will come through

832
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,000
because kiwani has been at this place

833
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,919
before and he had things that would come

834
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,039
in and out

835
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,200
um you know like sasquatch or other kind

836
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,600
of entities would move in and out if you

837
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,360
just sit there quietly

838
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,840
you would actually see that he had a dog

839
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,519
he had a dog

840
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,679
named um golly what was the dog's name

841
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,760
he'll he'd kill me if i forgot his name

842
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,360
uh comanche

843
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,880
and this dog was incredible because he

844
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,159
would see stuff coming out of the

845
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,360
vortexes before kiwani did and so he'd

846
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,880
watch his dog

847
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,799
and if this dog looked he was pointing

848
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,200
or looking then he would direct his

849
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,760
attention over to that corner right

850
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,399
so anyways uh the dog the dog was with

851
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,320
us and we're sitting there and we're

852
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,640
looking and and uh

853
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,080
nothing really happened i mean you could

854
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,840
feel you're in a different kind of place

855
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,880
right

856
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:36,480
uh nothing really happened it was a huge

857
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,559
vortex but this is what i wanted to tell

858
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,039
you the weather sucked really bad it was

859
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,159
bad and in june we were about 7 000 feet

860
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,919
up okay the valley was maybe a little

861
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,320
lower but the everything around us was

862
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,480
about seven thousand feet up so anyways

863
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:52,240
so i said that quantity says you always

864
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:55,760
talk about sasquatch being able

865
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,880
to change the micro weather and he said

866
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,960
oh

867
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,960
so he goes into the middle of the vortex

868
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,760
he goes he takes his lawn chair in the

869
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:08,080
middle sets some crystals up under his

870
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,120
seat

871
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,760
and he communicates right

872
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,519
and you know i'm a little skeptical you

873
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,120
know i mean i've been doing this for 50

874
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,880
some years all aspects of paranormal

875
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,279
right but i'm still very skeptical

876
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,279
so i he goes in there and i'll tell you

877
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,200
something ryan i could not believe it

878
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,039
within 10 minutes

879
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,640
the sky

880
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,440
over the vortex this whole vortex area

881
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,200
it was a big area

882
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,120
the sky opened up and a beam of light

883
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,440
comes down right holy cow and it's

884
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,679
beautiful we had to take our coats off

885
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,240
we had to do this and ryan you ever

886
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,440
heard about being in the middle of a

887
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,399
hurricane

888
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,240
you could look out and you could see the

889
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,799
clouds going around you

890
00:32:50,509 --> 00:32:49,279
and i am not kidding you it was the most

891
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,519
incredible

892
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,360
experience ever well i mean there's been

893
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,440
plenty of experiences with him but this

894
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,840
is incredible because it actually he

895
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,360
said it pretty much he thought it

896
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,399
encompassed the the beam of light and

897
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,240
was sunshine it was not a beam it was

898
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,399
actually from the sun but it was it was

899
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,240
warm it got probably jesus it probably

900
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,559
got in the 50s or 60s and everyone was

901
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,640
around it was snowing and sleet and

902
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,799
shitty and we're in this middle of the

903
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,399
site and it stayed like that for a long

904
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,559
time and then unbelievable finally it

905
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,120
just closed up and it was like all back

906
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,200
to where it was and but anyways this

907
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,880
this vortex here is really cool it's in

908
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,480
a beautiful little valley

909
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,640
uh i don't even know if it's still there

910
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,919
today

911
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,240
but uh it was it was a wonderful

912
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,919
experience but uh

913
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:34,960
that is and

914
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,519
what i found out with my vertex

915
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,840
photography just a quick note is when

916
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,320
we're when i'm able to find the vortexes

917
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,120
and i do the photography there

918
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,519
uh it's always some really really

919
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,760
incredible creatures that seem to be in

920
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,399
and around the vortex itself so you can

921
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,960
see all those on true secret

922
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:56,559
uh there's a lot of them that are in

923
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,279
vortexes and some of them are random

924
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,200
just in the middle of the woods or other

925
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:03,760
places which they these entities you

926
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,480
know

927
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,200
uh seem to crop up and and you can kind

928
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,960
of you can see them some people seem

929
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,879
really better than other people so but

930
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,119
anyways it has a lot to do with vortexes

931
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,960
i can tell you that

932
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:17,200
and speaking of strange things we you

933
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,399
would mention okay

934
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:21,040
you'd mention the conference and

935
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,119
is this the same conference that uh

936
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,280
well was it was the dulce underground

937
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:29,679
based conference and a lot of strange

938
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,040
things took place then is that correct

939
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:35,119
in and around the conference

940
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:36,320
yes

941
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,919
because i was really blown away by some

942
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,520
of the things that took place in and

943
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,440
around that conference

944
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,320
yeah okay sure yeah no problem so anyway

945
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,399
so we you know after after everything's

946
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,960
settled down we go um

947
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,800
we go and you know basically eat our

948
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:54,000
dinner and everything there is one

949
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,440
little quick thing i want it's a little

950
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:57,280
strange it's just more personal strange

951
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,640
than anything

952
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,480
uh well i guess the other people noticed

953
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:02,400
it too we were eating we were eating

954
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,680
dinner

955
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:05,599
and the waitress comes up to us and and

956
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,320
i'm a have a pretty good feeling when

957
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:11,280
people are not all human okay

958
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,560
i guess over all the years of being

959
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,599
around

960
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,560
maybe hybrids and some other aliens

961
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,640
entities and i can tell you stories

962
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,320
but um

963
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,200
i felt this person was not

964
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,119
it was sort of i had the feeling the

965
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,880
same feeling i had when i go to roswell

966
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,240
sometimes

967
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,880
where we go in a restaurant or we go

968
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,680
uh you know in the walmart okay and we

969
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,680
just sit and watch people

970
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,760
and you can almost tell which ones are

971
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,520
hybrids and which ones are something

972
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,160
else and i'm telling you it's real

973
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,920
so anyway so i'm sitting here i'm

974
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,680
sitting here eating we're eating and

975
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,480
everybody's this this waitress she was

976
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,520
not not real she was not a human she

977
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,760
wasn't there's something about it i

978
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,200
don't know what it is and i guess you

979
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,640
have to have a little bit of impact in

980
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,119
you to feel it the energy's different

981
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,760
okay so anyways that that was fine and

982
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,480
she gave us her food and it was all cool

983
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,240
so anyways

984
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,119
the next day we we went to breakfast but

985
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,800
i'm gonna i skipped over something but i

986
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,800
want to just finish up with the waitress

987
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,599
so i go there and she she was very she

988
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,920
was non-native let me just tell you that

989
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,839
that's what she stood out extra because

990
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,839
everybody else was a native in this this

991
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,359
is a casino

992
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,960
hotel okay

993
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,119
so everybody there was native

994
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,240
and so anyway so she so i was curious

995
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,599
about her and i i i she wasn't around so

996
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,680
i asked one of the other native uh

997
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,680
waitress i think it was a yeah it was a

998
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,400
waitress and she said um

999
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,560
what are you talking about

1000
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,320
and she says there's no there's no white

1001
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,839
girl there's no white girl that works

1002
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,280
here and i thought she was just pulling

1003
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,680
my leg so i said okay i'll just leave

1004
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:50,960
this one go

1005
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,079
and so so i i asked another one and and

1006
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,320
the person pretty much convinced me

1007
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:58,320
there was no no other person there like

1008
00:37:03,270 --> 00:36:59,200
that

1009
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:03,280
were with me because they sort of

1010
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,640
noticed her

1011
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,400
that there was something strange about

1012
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,760
her she was

1013
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,280
i don't know just maybe the way she

1014
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:11,200
looks and he has very interesting eyes

1015
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,480
you know one of the things ryan i always

1016
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,119
talk about always look at the eyes yeah

1017
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,880
a lot of it tells in the eyes it's

1018
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,359
really in the eyes so okay so anyway so

1019
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,440
we go to bed we go to bed we're going to

1020
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,720
get a good night's sleep before the

1021
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,320
conference right

1022
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,720
so about six o'clock in the morning

1023
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,880
all hell breaks loose okay

1024
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,359
so there's helicopters everywhere

1025
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,640
well

1026
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:34,480
it sounded like there was helicopters

1027
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,920
everywhere as it turned out that they

1028
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,920
were so damn close to it it's that's the

1029
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,839
sound but it was probably two

1030
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,320
helicopters maybe three and they were

1031
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,480
circling circling

1032
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,880
over the uh a hotel

1033
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,640
and they seem to be getting extremely

1034
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:51,359
low and it didn't seem right to me

1035
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,160
but

1036
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,119
you know then they went away and i got

1037
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,880
dragged got up it was kind of early it

1038
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,320
was probably earlier than wanting to get

1039
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,920
up i said oh hell i'll just get up and

1040
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,079
get dressed take a shower so anyways we

1041
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,040
go down to the lobby and

1042
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,640
you know the people down there the

1043
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,560
people that were working in the lobby

1044
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,720
and the couple other people that were

1045
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,280
sitting there were native americans and

1046
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,280
they saw us coming down

1047
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,040
and then we like we stood out like a

1048
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,040
sore thumb pretty much

1049
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,800
and so anyways they were really angry

1050
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,560
with us

1051
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,119
and they you know they kind of

1052
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:27,359
pushed ahead and and said hey you know

1053
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,680
did you guys bring the the military here

1054
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,119
and blah blah blah blah and they were

1055
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,280
really upset and and we said no what are

1056
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,880
you talking about because i didn't

1057
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,240
really make it more thought i thought

1058
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,240
well okay you know maybe there's an army

1059
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:39,839
base around maybe this is kind of the

1060
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,320
normal thing for uh this time of the day

1061
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,680
i don't know

1062
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,000
but anyways come to find out it

1063
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,640
wasn't

1064
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,640
and they

1065
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,400
either right over the hotel or the right

1066
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,119
you know over here so it was like wow i

1067
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,839
guess it was some kind of a crazy event

1068
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,240
i mean later on i was talking to

1069
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,240
somebody just before we left and they

1070
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,000
said that they saw them actually come

1071
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,560
down and it looked like they were

1072
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,480
kind of looking and writing things down

1073
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:11,280
or taking photos of the cars

1074
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,760
maybe license plates we don't really

1075
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:14,720
know

1076
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,560
that was pretty crazy

1077
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,200
um i guess if you want me to talk about

1078
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:25,040
afterwards is probably one of the most

1079
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,480
profound things for me personally well

1080
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,079
let me let me back up a minute sure

1081
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:30,320
during the conference itself which went

1082
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,680
pretty good now

1083
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,119
we had so many people there in the

1084
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,520
original room the fire marshal was going

1085
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,040
to shut us down

1086
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,440
now this got norio a little crazy normal

1087
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:41,359
kind of went into a trance

1088
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:44,560
because he didn't know what to do so i

1089
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,680
kind of jumped up and i went over and

1090
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,680
talked to the

1091
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:53,040
one of the elders and said listen

1092
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,359
you gotta help us out your guy is going

1093
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,720
to shut us down we have to find

1094
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,880
somewhere else so he you know i had to

1095
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,240
go back and forth with him and be as

1096
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,880
nice as possible and finally he he said

1097
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,119
well i know norio and you know norio

1098
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,200
this and that so finally he said okay

1099
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,119
let's go let me talk to the guy who made

1100
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,800
a phone call and across the street was

1101
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,960
like a grocery store and behind the

1102
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,480
grocery store

1103
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,880
was uh they had a conference room and it

1104
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,640
was a pretty dang large conference room

1105
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,480
i was like in shock

1106
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,280
you just wouldn't find a big conference

1107
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,520
room by a part of a grocery store so i

1108
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,440
didn't know what it was and i apparently

1109
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,599
did meetings and stuff like that for the

1110
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,000
tribe right he said okay great so we all

1111
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,960
got up we all go over there at this

1112
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,400
grocery store

1113
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,839
one of the other really interesting

1114
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,000
things at the grocery store

1115
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,240
was it had windows kind of at the back

1116
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:46,319
of this conference room big windows and

1117
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,760
it was like a patio out there we could

1118
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,680
go and eat or whatever

1119
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,920
and all of a sudden it just kind of

1120
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,760
freaked me out

1121
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:55,200
huge

1122
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,640
ravens i think they were ravens maybe

1123
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,400
blackbirds let me tell you something

1124
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,200
ryan i've never seen anything like it

1125
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,119
these things were huge and they were

1126
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,800
standing there was probably seven eight

1127
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,640
of them at one time they were just in

1128
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,839
there looking

1129
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,040
watching us

1130
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,839
and it was it was a freaky deaky deal it

1131
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,920
reminds me and i did a lot of research

1132
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:20,079
out east when people used to talk about

1133
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,200
the owls

1134
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,359
and i'm sure you know about owls owls

1135
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,359
are not only sacred creatures but they

1136
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,560
also are shape-shifted greys okay for

1137
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,880
the most part and this reminded me of

1138
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,400
this but it wasn't i don't think these

1139
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,319
are grays these are something else and

1140
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,160
they were strange because they were just

1141
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,839
sitting there looking and watching

1142
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,640
everybody and they were extremely big

1143
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,800
much bigger than any raven and nobody

1144
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:45,040
else honestly nobody else seemed to pay

1145
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,480
attention to it now they may have been

1146
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:48,000
more interested in everything else going

1147
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,800
on

1148
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,359
you know i just this is even before

1149
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,040
people started talking

1150
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,200
and i i i guess i got involved with the

1151
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,960
other people talking and i think

1152
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,119
eventually they just flew off or

1153
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,640
whatever they maybe they walked away and

1154
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,560
got in the car for all i know

1155
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,520
so so anyways uh so that was pretty

1156
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,760
strange and then during the conference i

1157
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,160
mean the conference is really good

1158
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,240
i mean norio spoke

1159
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,480
uh i think gabe spoke

1160
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,040
uh there was there was other people some

1161
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,800
native americans spoke

1162
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,800
some of them were very

1163
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,359
positive i mean when i say positive

1164
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:25,599
talked what they knew about

1165
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,960
stuff you know about the base etc

1166
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,560
but one of the things that's strange to

1167
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,760
me and and it felt something was weird

1168
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,760
was that right about in the middle uh

1169
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,520
yeah i know norio will probably watch

1170
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,520
this and he may have a bit of a problem

1171
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,440
with it but i'm going to say it anyways

1172
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,599
he he something happened i don't know if

1173
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,200
somebody talked to him but his whole

1174
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,800
demeanor changed and he looked like

1175
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,880
something was very upsetting

1176
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,640
so i never really got down to the bottom

1177
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,319
i questioned him on it i don't know if

1178
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:54,000
he got threatened but talking about a

1179
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:55,280
threat

1180
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:00,079
so i was i was in the bathroom doing my

1181
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,040
business

1182
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,599
and uh i had a camera and

1183
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,520
a native american or somebody i think it

1184
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,119
was a native american of the tribe came

1185
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,280
and was very upset with me

1186
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,119
because i come and of course this is

1187
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,839
after this was after the the incident

1188
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,000
with the helicopters right

1189
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,720
so apparently he was still sore about

1190
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,200
that and he was going to take my camera

1191
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:23,040
and he was i don't know what he always

1192
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:24,319
going to do it wasn't it wasn't going to

1193
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,440
be pretty

1194
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,280
and so anyways i kind of talked him off

1195
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,200
the ledge and you know everything was

1196
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,520
kind of fine but he wasn't too happy he

1197
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,119
was gonna he said i'm gonna be happy

1198
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,440
when you guys leave blah blah blah

1199
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,040
and so you know it was all great and

1200
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,880
then we there was another person i know

1201
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,040
in the casino the night before

1202
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,440
also was confronted and so there were

1203
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,960
some people there that were

1204
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,599
very receptive to

1205
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,079
us and there were some people

1206
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,760
that weren't

1207
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,599
some of them were native some of them

1208
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,079
are not sure if they were just locals

1209
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,000
that you know lived locally and owned

1210
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,440
property locally

1211
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,800
but they did some people just didn't

1212
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,640
like the attention we were drawing

1213
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,640
because that was really the first time

1214
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,400
i know there was some conferences and

1215
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,640
things after norrio's but that was the

1216
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,720
first one and it may have gotten easier

1217
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,440
afterwards but i think initially nobody

1218
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,200
knew what was going to happen

1219
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:18,000
and so uh i i think that was that was

1220
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,200
pretty much

1221
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:22,160
uh you know what happened and you know

1222
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:23,440
after that

1223
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:27,040
what i will tell you about

1224
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,720
is that the uh confrontation we had

1225
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,359
i had and another person

1226
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,000
had when we were going to try to leave

1227
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:38,000
norio had left

1228
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,359
and i won't tell you all the things

1229
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,520
about norio and the experiences yeah

1230
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,280
i'll let you do that if you want to

1231
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,560
because he had some things that happened

1232
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,319
to him afterwards but

1233
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,000
i'm going to let him tell you that if he

1234
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,480
wants to but anyway so

1235
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,079
we're there getting ready packing our

1236
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,000
car up and we're getting ready to go and

1237
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,480
all of a sudden out of the blue

1238
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,920
excuse me

1239
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,920
these cars pillow

1240
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,160
you know these i always remember a

1241
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,440
couple and where these old uh camaros

1242
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,000
like i don't know 20 year old camaros

1243
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,240
they all look beat up pretty well and it

1244
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,640
was pretty crazy right and there was at

1245
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,480
least i think there was five or six cars

1246
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,839
that just like

1247
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,760
stopped us so we couldn't move right i

1248
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,599
said oh

1249
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,560
what now you know we want to go you know

1250
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,000
so all of a sudden they jump out and

1251
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,760
they're real nice they're very nice

1252
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,560
there was no no no problem right so they

1253
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,880
started telling us stories this one one

1254
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,720
native american she told me about a

1255
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,880
story told us about a story in which he

1256
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,960
was driving down the road kind of

1257
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:39,680
driving out towards the mesa and all of

1258
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,720
a sudden

1259
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,960
a ship came down and took her whole jeep

1260
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,800
and everything up inside the ship and

1261
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,480
she told about that whole experience and

1262
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,560
it was like wow that's you know it isn't

1263
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,400
that i hadn't heard that before

1264
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,200
but uh you know it was a really amazing

1265
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,319
story and she was very convincing right

1266
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,720
and then came

1267
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,560
i think the most famous part of all of

1268
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,960
this was the drawing it was the pictures

1269
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,720
the photos

1270
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:06,960
these were the famous photos

1271
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,760
uh that kind of scared me

1272
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,839
they scared me because i saw them

1273
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,800
okay

1274
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:15,760
and they were photos of creatures

1275
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,160
there were photos of

1276
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,480
things that the native americans claimed

1277
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,160
they had gotten these photos i don't

1278
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,920
know they didn't see how they got them

1279
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,599
they didn't say they they didn't say

1280
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,359
they took them i don't think they did

1281
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,800
but they got a hold of these and these

1282
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,640
are real photos these are not drawings

1283
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,160
these are photos

1284
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,160
and they look very real

1285
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,839
and you got to remember the photoshop

1286
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,319
situation

1287
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,800
that was

1288
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,720
probably started much

1289
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,800
later i mean right you know and these

1290
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,440
people i mean i i'm not saying anything

1291
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,960
negative i just don't think they would

1292
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,720
have done it or had at that time there

1293
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,200
were the capacity was easy to do

1294
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,599
without having sophisticated you know

1295
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,960
like we do today

1296
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,440
uh programs on computers right i don't

1297
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,520
think so these are real photos and i

1298
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,920
think they're real photos of creatures

1299
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,400
the one that was really frightening

1300
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,480
was this one and it was laying there it

1301
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,040
looked like it was still alive

1302
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,920
it looked it had a human humanoid face a

1303
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,480
human face

1304
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,119
it had gills

1305
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,839
it had

1306
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,280
skin

1307
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,200
that looked like cow

1308
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,559
hide

1309
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,520
uh how else would i say it uh

1310
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:31,839
i don't remember if it i guess it had

1311
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,319
more of a cow head it had kind of cow

1312
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:37,280
short short cow ears they weren't long

1313
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,640
ears

1314
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,000
um

1315
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:41,920
and i guess the look in their eyes was

1316
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,800
was was what kind of got me they looked

1317
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,640
like they were alive but they were under

1318
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:49,920
like a heavy drug being heavily drugged

1319
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,640
wow and there was two photos one one was

1320
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,800
a very close up one which which i just

1321
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:56,880
described to you and another one was a

1322
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,079
side kind of a side look which which was

1323
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,240
confirmed the first one but then you

1324
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,520
could see the side of the body it looked

1325
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,680
like a cow looking like a cow but you

1326
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,200
could still see the human face kind of

1327
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,680
coming out of the front from the side

1328
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,000
unbelievable and they claim this is from

1329
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,240
the underground base she's they said it

1330
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,680
was from the lower levels of the

1331
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,200
underground base

1332
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,920
and the reason i felt very comfortable

1333
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,160
that these were real also

1334
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,480
uh even though i didn't ask

1335
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,720
but they didn't say you want to buy them

1336
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,400
or you want to do this they just want to

1337
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,480
show me that's all they want to do

1338
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,359
because i would have been more

1339
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,359
suspicious if i said oh well you want to

1340
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,280
buy for 100 bucks or you want to do this

1341
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,319
no that never never was i mean if they

1342
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,520
would have gave them to me i would have

1343
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,599
to i guess i would have took them but

1344
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,599
after i got back in the car

1345
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:45,280
knowing

1346
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,040
and i i believe the guy the person that

1347
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,880
was with me saw him too

1348
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,440
but for some reason that person just

1349
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,559
you know i don't know if he just didn't

1350
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,319
want to talk about it or what it was or

1351
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,720
were you such in shock

1352
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,640
but somehow the story

1353
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,880
ended up getting on the internet and my

1354
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,520
name was on it and i i guess

1355
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,680
uh i've been always concerned i mean

1356
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,440
this is many years ago and i was working

1357
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,720
still working

1358
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,880
uh you know at some jobs that maybe they

1359
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,559
didn't know my research and what i did

1360
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,200
although i've been pretty open for many

1361
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,000
years wherever i worked and i did work

1362
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,240
you know i've worked for companies

1363
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:26,079
uh did a lot of work for aerospace

1364
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,839
companies so

1365
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,400
so i

1366
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:31,760
it was always a little because i had to

1367
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,760
have high clearances so it was always a

1368
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,680
little concerned that with a little bit

1369
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,520
of a youtube search they would find this

1370
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,160
and say holy crap right what's this all

1371
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,920
about you know so you always you had to

1372
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,400
be concerned but i found out over the

1373
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:46,319
years because i was always a manager of

1374
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,440
some sort

1375
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,319
and many times when i hired people

1376
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:52,559
it was amazing the stories they had to

1377
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,359
tell

1378
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,040
and one of the conclusions i've always

1379
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,920
had is years later after 50 some years

1380
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,760
of doing this he said that almost

1381
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:01,520
everybody

1382
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,720
has had paranormal type experiences most

1383
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,720
people will not talk about it but they

1384
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,800
have had them and most of the time when

1385
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,640
i talk to them you know most of the time

1386
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,880
they usually tell me yes i have because

1387
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,800
they all want to talk about it

1388
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,559
but they can't find the right people to

1389
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,040
talk about it which is kind of a sad

1390
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,520
thing because some of these people are

1391
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,480
hiding and it's a real anxiety for them

1392
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:26,000
and it shouldn't be it shouldn't be at

1393
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,119
all so

1394
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:29,760
that's true that's that's that

1395
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,480
that is true that is true uh you know

1396
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,400
some that kind of brings up my next

1397
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,559
question which is uh you know paul

1398
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,839
benowitz has often been described as

1399
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,160
only having disinformation and i don't

1400
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,960
believe that's necessarily the case

1401
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,359
it's it's hard to tell what was the real

1402
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,079
info and what wasn't in your opinion how

1403
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:52,000
do we separate uh

1404
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,599
you know the real star the wheat from

1405
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,160
the chaff or

1406
00:51:02,870 --> 00:50:57,520
yeah uh

1407
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:02,880
do know people that had

1408
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,880
uh all of them had good things to say

1409
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,079
about paul

1410
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,880
um you know i think i think what

1411
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,280
happened with paul you know i mean

1412
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,200
you sort of know that he was he was a

1413
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,119
contractor for the government and he

1414
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,800
made instruments he had a company that

1415
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,400
made instruments of some sort i'm not

1416
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,559
sure what the instruments were he lived

1417
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,680
right by

1418
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,520
the kirkland air force base in fact he

1419
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,240
was right i mean i've been by his house

1420
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,760
and you could see that he could see a

1421
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,760
good view of the base

1422
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,160
and of course you know his some of his

1423
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,559
claim to fame is that he saw a crash or

1424
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,280
heard about a crash up in the dalsey

1425
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:39,359
area and actually went up there and

1426
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,160
supposedly saw it

1427
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,000
then he got involved with

1428
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,920
hearing some things

1429
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,200
uh

1430
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,920
some radio communication etc that led

1431
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,520
him to believe that some things were

1432
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,680
happening and and aliens were real and

1433
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,599
all this stuff like that

1434
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:57,920
i think paul was sincerely

1435
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,400
believe that and i sincerely believe

1436
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:02,160
some of it is true

1437
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,680
i believe for some reason the government

1438
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,960
uh

1439
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,040
started feeding him some possible

1440
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,000
disinformation

1441
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:18,309
for what reason i'm not really sure uh i

1442
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,839
don't know if they just wanted to muck

1443
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,440
up some of the things he was telling

1444
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,440
people and that be they wanted that to

1445
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,800
come forward and all of a sudden

1446
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,440
discredit everything that he had said

1447
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,359
that is very possible

1448
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,760
but everything i heard about him from

1449
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,160
people i knew that personally knew him

1450
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:36,160
they always felt that he was up and up

1451
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,119
guy

1452
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:39,200
and you know not saying that they knew

1453
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,839
all these things but he they felt that

1454
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,319
he was a he was the real deal and they

1455
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,160
felt everybody i've talked to and i

1456
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,920
included myself just the things that i

1457
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,760
had read and some of the people i talked

1458
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,559
to felt that at least some of the things

1459
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,880
that he had talked about very well could

1460
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,480
be true because other people

1461
00:53:02,990 --> 00:52:59,040
collaborated what he was saying one way

1462
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:06,069
possible crash

1463
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:07,359
up there

1464
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,720
nothing was the ufo communication of

1465
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,359
some sort on the base um you know that

1466
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,280
that seemed to be very possible now i

1467
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,559
can't verify

1468
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,720
the actual conversations that they were

1469
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,760
true

1470
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,680
because they could been partially

1471
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,839
uh this information there's no doubt

1472
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:25,760
about it the government does this

1473
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,800
disinformation stuff all the time

1474
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,040
uh or did

1475
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,960
so absolutely anyways

1476
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,839
uh

1477
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,319
bringing me to the i agree 100 with you

1478
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,040
and uh another interesting gentleman

1479
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,960
that's involved with the dulce bass is

1480
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:42,400
phil schneider

1481
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,440
and

1482
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,160
you know not only the way he passed away

1483
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:48,160
but there's a lot of controversy around

1484
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,200
phil

1485
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,200
and

1486
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,440
it's it's tough because he seemed to

1487
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,160
have had a very legitimate background

1488
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,280
with the military right right and

1489
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,200
how how did he pass away what what was

1490
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,520
your view of uh what phil snyder was

1491
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,680
saying ryan you're gonna you're probably

1492
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,760
not even gonna believe this this certain

1493
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:10,000
extent just it's just really a wild

1494
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,520
synchronicity

1495
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,440
so i live in oregon

1496
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:15,440
and i live about eight miles from his

1497
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,440
apartment wow so every where he died

1498
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,599
so almost once a week

1499
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,280
i drive by it

1500
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,079
so it just was so crazy when you i you

1501
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,839
know i saw your question

1502
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:29,839
uh about phil

1503
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,800
uh

1504
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,599
yeah you know the thing about phil was

1505
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:35,359
and and i

1506
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,799
i knew people that had met him but i i'm

1507
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,000
not going to say i knew people that were

1508
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,240
good friends of his

1509
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,440
you know i i believe phil at the end of

1510
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:47,920
his life for whatever the reasons

1511
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,280
uh was was having problems emotional and

1512
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,400
mental problems

1513
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,920
um

1514
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:55,920
you know

1515
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,559
i i can't believe and and

1516
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,880
and and i know

1517
00:55:04,829 --> 00:55:02,640
people that know people that blah blah

1518
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:04,839
blah i can't go into all of it

1519
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,960
but i don't i find it very hard that the

1520
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:10,160
government

1521
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,200
or

1522
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,839
had murdered him okay

1523
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:15,839
i'm not saying he died of a suicide i'm

1524
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,319
really not i really have a hard time

1525
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,760
unless phil because you got to remember

1526
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,839
and i've been i was told this a long

1527
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,839
time ago and i always lived by this

1528
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:28,160
thing don't keep secrets

1529
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,599
okay

1530
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,760
so what that means is that's why i have

1531
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,680
a website and that's why i have

1532
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,359
dimensional walking

1533
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,200
don't keep secrets and this was told by

1534
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,559
a very it was actually told by a cia guy

1535
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,559
i knew he said one of the things you

1536
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,839
want to know

1537
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,720
is

1538
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:47,280
keep all the stuff you're doing up front

1539
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,480
if you're investigating you're doing

1540
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,359
this make sure it's known write a book

1541
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:52,799
do lectures

1542
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,079
do whatever but don't sit back and hide

1543
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,640
and keep the stuff and just chat among

1544
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,960
small groups that's what they told me

1545
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:03,119
and you know what i've always done that

1546
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,599
i've always been very open if somebody

1547
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,839
if somebody came and asked me a question

1548
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:09,359
about something i was some research i

1549
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,559
was doing because i did a lot of

1550
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,040
research on abductees and contactees

1551
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,880
when i lived out in east

1552
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:16,400
and some of the research was pretty

1553
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:17,920
pretty profound

1554
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,720
and i was very open with them directly

1555
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:23,599
actually i mean i i was questioned

1556
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,880
and i told them

1557
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:27,359
so i've always lived by that

1558
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,079
and i think phil also lived by that

1559
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,680
because he was out there telling the

1560
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,599
telling what he felt was the truth he

1561
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,160
really was now maybe it wasn't all

1562
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,480
a hundred percent maybe he embellished

1563
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:40,319
some of it i don't know

1564
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:43,920
but unless phil had was holding back on

1565
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:47,920
some really critical information

1566
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,440
there was no reason to eliminate him

1567
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,920
they will only eliminate you really they

1568
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:56,400
may threaten you they may threaten you

1569
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,520
but they're not going to normally

1570
00:57:00,710 --> 00:57:00,000
eliminate you because he was already out

1571
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,720
there

1572
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:02,960
talking he'd been talking for quite a

1573
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,839
while right right and and you know he

1574
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,839
had big audiences

1575
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,200
so uh

1576
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,760
you know i i don't know i i don't know

1577
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,680
what what happened to him i mean there's

1578
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:15,599
all kinds of wild stories

1579
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,480
uh it could be you know something

1580
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:20,240
personally bad happened to him i don't

1581
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:21,119
know

1582
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,559
i never i never went to a lecture or

1583
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,760
anything but

1584
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,200
uh

1585
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,359
you know he just seemed like a pretty

1586
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:33,839
pretty good guy and you're right

1587
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,319
i mean you can you can check his stuff

1588
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,720
he is the real mccoy person it isn't

1589
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,119
like it isn't like robert lazard or

1590
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:42,960
anything like that i mean i think he's a

1591
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,040
real he's a real mccoy too

1592
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,040
uh but uh

1593
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,440
uh you know he was a little harder they

1594
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,440
were they got rid of a lot of his stuff

1595
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,520
i believe they they eliminated and they

1596
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,240
wiped his background out

1597
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,000
but i still believe he he was he was a

1598
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,720
real guy because i i

1599
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,960
knew people norio being one of them he

1600
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,119
interviewed him and mario felt the same

1601
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,280
way that he uh he was he was a real

1602
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,920
mccoy so wow see

1603
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,240
getting back to dulce the uh and the

1604
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,319
stuff that schneider was saying there

1605
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,839
was um

1606
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,920
a lot of connections between underground

1607
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:19,839
bases and tunnels

1608
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,640
and

1609
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,880
have you heard any stories

1610
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:23,839
uh

1611
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,319
around the dulce area any underground

1612
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,280
tunnel stories or or things that

1613
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:31,920
coming out in or out of them

1614
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,559
uh well i i can let's see

1615
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:39,200
let let me uh let me kind of back up a

1616
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,079
little bit i'm going to we're going to

1617
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,480
move a little bit away from dulce i can

1618
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,559
tell you two tunnel stories

1619
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,119
uh and and the rumor has it there was

1620
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,680
they'd connected to dulce okay the rumor

1621
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,119
i'm not going to tell you for sure it's

1622
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,960
a rumor but i'll kind of tell you i'm

1623
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,160
going to give you a little confirmation

1624
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,480
that the tunnels are there they're in

1625
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:58,160
new mexico and they're probably in other

1626
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:59,359
places

1627
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,319
so

1628
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:02,799
i ran across a couple guys

1629
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,160
that were construction guys okay

1630
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,799
so this one guy told me his story

1631
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,480
and he said he

1632
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,200
had gotten a call from his boss and said

1633
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:15,440
him and his partner

1634
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:19,520
had to take some tools and go and meet

1635
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:22,720
uh some guys at the gate one of the

1636
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,000
gates at kirkland air force base

1637
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:28,640
so they did he didn't tell him anything

1638
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,160
else and and it's kind of sad he didn't

1639
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:34,319
because they come to the gate they meet

1640
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,599
these guys these are military guys right

1641
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,960
so they

1642
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:41,040
tell them they're going in they they

1643
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,160
they go in a car in in a black

1644
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:46,559
you know suv type thing the typical

1645
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,160
crazy black suv they drive down the road

1646
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,319
tell them to get out

1647
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,920
and they they kind of looked at each

1648
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:55,520
other what do you mean get out so just

1649
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:56,720
get out

1650
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,359
bags over their head and they they cinch

1651
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,280
them up they can breathe all right right

1652
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,680
he said get back in the car

1653
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,760
they're like bouncing off the doors and

1654
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,599
everything else they you know then the

1655
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,680
guys helped him get in the car and they

1656
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,520
said well what's going on just just be

1657
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:15,040
quiet

1658
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:16,400
well

1659
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,799
so anyways so they drive they seem to

1660
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,720
drive for about 10

1661
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,559
uh oh they thought about 10 he thought

1662
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,640
about 10 minutes right he said he didn't

1663
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:26,000
know with the bag on your head you just

1664
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,920
don't know it feels like i mean their

1665
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,520
minds are just swimming you know they

1666
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,280
didn't know what that was going on

1667
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,599
so they they drive back

1668
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,599
and and you know

1669
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,240
back behind the base and behind the labs

1670
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,960
is manzano mountains right and it's a

1671
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,880
really crazy mountain place but there's

1672
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,119
a lot of crap in the back there right so

1673
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,599
they get back in there

1674
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,440
and so they get out

1675
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:51,200
and they stand there and they

1676
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:52,160
they

1677
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:52,960
these

1678
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,599
military people whoever they were

1679
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,200
they they told them we're gonna take the

1680
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:59,520
bags off but you need to look to the

1681
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,559
ground

1682
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,200
you cannot look up

1683
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,960
and so

1684
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,440
they took the bags off their head

1685
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:10,400
and they they looked down and these guys

1686
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,359
both had

1687
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:14,799
ak-47s or whatever some automatic

1688
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,760
weapons pointed at him and he said do

1689
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:19,760
not look up

1690
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,760
you're going to keep down

1691
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,480
and here's your tools and come on

1692
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,559
start walking always look down don't

1693
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,799
look up so they don't know what why they

1694
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:30,319
said that

1695
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:31,839
um

1696
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,559
so they went and they took them and they

1697
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,640
took him to the kind of a place he said

1698
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,720
it looked like doors and they had to dig

1699
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,880
around the doors they don't know if

1700
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,880
if what the reason where the doors

1701
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:45,200
couldn't get open or whatever it was so

1702
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,640
they had to dig around it wasn't a big

1703
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,160
deal what they had to do they had to dig

1704
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:50,160
around it anybody could have done this

1705
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,920
it was the weirdest thing they they said

1706
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,280
these guys could have done this this

1707
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:54,960
wasn't anything special

1708
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,480
they had to put some lubricant or

1709
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:58,720
something on the door hinges they had to

1710
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,119
do a few things that maybe they were

1711
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,640
these other guys aren't qualified i

1712
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,640
don't we don't really know why but

1713
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,119
anyway so they they the doors open and

1714
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,880
it he the only thing they said is they

1715
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,280
still had to look down and they it was a

1716
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:13,119
tunnel it was down and it looked like a

1717
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,480
real tunnel

1718
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,559
um and that just to me confirmed that

1719
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:18,079
there were tunnels or something that

1720
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,359
were underneath etc so of course these

1721
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,680
guys got their sack put on back on it

1722
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,079
they drove back out and they let them go

1723
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,559
and they were really sh he said he was

1724
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,880
shaken he he couldn't believe it that

1725
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,119
government would do this and not and he

1726
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,799
was mad at his boss because his boss

1727
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:36,400
probably knew something crazy was going

1728
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:37,680
to happen right

1729
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,079
yeah so anyways uh and of course i had

1730
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,400
heard anadonal information from people i

1731
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,400
knew that worked at the base that there

1732
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,000
was there was tunnels there was

1733
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:48,160
something underneath it not everybody

1734
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:50,240
knew about it

1735
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,000
you know i had friends that had homes

1736
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,799
that were just outside the base that

1737
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,640
periodically they would hear rumblings

1738
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,480
underneath their houses

1739
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,480
uh and they could they many of them just

1740
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:03,440
guessed it was probably the train or the

1741
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:06,480
whatever it is the transporting vehicle

1742
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,839
moving under the house and it was a

1743
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,599
regular thing it was at it the time was

1744
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,599
always the same time every day

1745
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,160
so you know that's that's sort of that's

1746
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:16,880
sort of what uh with that was then i had

1747
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:19,280
friends the other little story was i had

1748
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,200
friends that uh worked at los alamos

1749
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:24,799
several friends

1750
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,920
and they could not directly confirm

1751
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:30,640
that they had seen the tunnels uh they

1752
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:33,280
didn't uh all the all the people i was

1753
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:34,799
in contact with

1754
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,119
uh actually uh

1755
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,520
did most of their work on the outside

1756
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:41,200
they they did go inside the buildings

1757
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,880
but those are the surface buildings as

1758
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:44,960
they call them they did confirm there

1759
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,520
was underground uh part of the building

1760
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:49,280
the main building had an underground

1761
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,400
portion

1762
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,319
and they had heard from being their year

1763
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:53,920
many of them had worked their life all

1764
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,319
their life and they said after being

1765
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:58,079
there all those years you hear little

1766
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,039
things

1767
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,880
that led them to believe that there was

1768
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,640
some type of a tunnel

1769
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:04,480
that connected

1770
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,200
sandia labs and they just said places uh

1771
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,440
north and northwest which would have

1772
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:13,920
been dulce uh they didn't use the word

1773
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:16,400
dulce but that's what they said and they

1774
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,039
felt pretty comfortable that but uh they

1775
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,880
couldn't tell me anything more other

1776
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,319
than they felt comfortable that these

1777
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:24,079
tunnels did exist

1778
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:26,000
and they went they knew they were for

1779
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:27,680
some reason they knew it went to los

1780
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:30,559
alamo i mean to to kirkland air force

1781
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:31,440
base

1782
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,240
but

1783
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:34,079
the other one they didn't name they just

1784
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:35,200
wouldn't i don't know if they didn't

1785
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:36,880
know or they didn't say it

1786
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,200
but that's why i believe that

1787
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:40,880
they are connected and i think a lot of

1788
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,000
these tunnels connect all over

1789
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,079
uh i think that's probably what phil had

1790
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:48,480
said and other people i've talked to

1791
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:50,720
they felt pretty comfortable that this

1792
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:52,319
is those are real that's a real

1793
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:55,520
situation it is not crazy conspiracy

1794
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,799
crap it's real so anyways that's my

1795
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,920
story i'm sticking with them yeah

1796
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:03,920
i've heard the same and you know these

1797
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:06,640
these extraterrestrials it seems it

1798
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:09,440
seems like they are

1799
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,960
trying to keep us from playing with

1800
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:12,960
nuclear technologies and weapons what

1801
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:16,079
have you heard relating to that theory

1802
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:18,640
well i'm a firm believer and that's 100

1803
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,559
correct um and here's why i believe this

1804
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:24,799
uh after

1805
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:27,440
uh it's not a coincidence that after we

1806
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:28,480
dropped

1807
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,559
the first bomb or even when we started

1808
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:32,400
testing the bombs

1809
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,480
um there was a increase in ufo activity

1810
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:38,640
there was many more sightings

1811
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,720
uh there was most of the most amazing

1812
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,280
stories are right around it roswell and

1813
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,359
all the many crashes that happened in

1814
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,760
new mexico i mean there's a much more

1815
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:49,920
crashes than roswell for god's sakes

1816
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:52,559
there's probably seven or eight of them

1817
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,559
or more

1818
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,799
so there was a lot of activity

1819
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,039
uh one of the things i heard and this

1820
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:01,680
information i got from contactees and

1821
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,839
and

1822
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,960
abductees because i would bring this up

1823
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,640
in some of my conversations with them

1824
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:08,160
and ask them what they knew or what they

1825
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,119
heard

1826
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,880
and this is why

1827
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:13,200
they ate the these aliens some of these

1828
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:14,480
alien groups

1829
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:17,039
were so much and so

1830
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,319
much interested in keeping us from using

1831
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:22,400
nuclear weapons or atomic

1832
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:23,920
bombs or

1833
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,079
whatever you want to call right

1834
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,839
the reason was

1835
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:29,680
is that they said

1836
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,400
this was the only thing that would kill

1837
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:34,799
a human soul

1838
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:37,680
and they didn't for some reason

1839
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,359
they wanted to keep our souls alive or

1840
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,200
functional i don't i don't know what you

1841
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,280
could say alive wanted to keep them

1842
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,280
functionally and they said

1843
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:49,200
that when you bla and when an atomic

1844
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,160
bomb goes off it wipes off souls off the

1845
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,559
earth and i don't know how close it was

1846
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:56,720
but that's what they told me and they

1847
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:58,839
said that we will do everything and they

1848
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:01,520
have you know the silos they talk about

1849
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,480
those uh the codes being changed

1850
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,799
they talk about uh

1851
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:08,240
you know all kinds of things that are

1852
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:10,720
changed uh you know even the manhattan

1853
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:13,039
project itself i heard rumors and

1854
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:16,240
stories that weird things would happen

1855
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:18,160
uh they finally made it happen they

1856
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:19,760
finally dropped you know they were able

1857
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,640
to test those bombs in new mexico but

1858
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:24,960
one of the most fascinating rainbow i

1859
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:26,319
love did you ever watch the series

1860
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,000
manhattan yes oh we love that thing

1861
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,079
there is some hidden things in the mix

1862
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,079
there oh there are

1863
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,079
there are some hidden things so

1864
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:38,799
um you know we love that that that was

1865
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,839
crazy because rainbow actually had an

1866
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,160
uncle that worked at los alamos

1867
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,720
and interesting yeah so there was some

1868
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,200
crazy stories about that and she had she

1869
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,280
had some of her own when she was a kid

1870
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,920
she would go up there and it was it's it

1871
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:56,319
was a los alamos have you been the last

1872
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:57,359
elements

1873
01:08:02,230 --> 01:07:59,599
no have not go go

1874
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,240
go the energy there is very strange it's

1875
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,079
very strange i'll have to check it out

1876
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:05,760
yeah you have to if you get up there go

1877
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,880
and see it feel it it's worth it

1878
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:11,520
it's a it's a very interesting town

1879
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:12,799
little town

1880
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,319
and it's very close

1881
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:16,159
it's closed in meaning when you live

1882
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:17,040
there

1883
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:19,040
you got to be part of the game

1884
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:20,719
and

1885
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,159
yeah there's there's things going on

1886
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,400
there i i will tell you that so

1887
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,440
great anyways uh well i can't thank you

1888
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,759
enough for coming on uh one last quick

1889
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:30,640
question

1890
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,480
go ahead what do you think the future

1891
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,480
holds for dual say do you think

1892
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:36,640
it's out of commission and we won't hear

1893
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:37,920
anything else or do you think that's

1894
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:39,199
that

1895
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,480
you know what i

1896
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,199
i think the activity is obviously

1897
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,679
died down from when it was years of

1898
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,000
years back i don't think it's a hundred

1899
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,920
percent i think those some of the labs

1900
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,359
underground

1901
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:52,799
are possibly

1902
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,679
still active the reason i say that and i

1903
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,759
can only really go back to

1904
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,480
when i talk to those native americans is

1905
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,719
that they still seen uh there was still

1906
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,279
a lot of ufo activity over there and

1907
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:07,440
military helicopters and things flying

1908
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:10,000
over it now they didn't say they landed

1909
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,400
they just said they see a lot of it and

1910
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:15,040
they see between that combination just

1911
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,480
leads me to believe there's still

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something going on

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underground and i think from a

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standpoint of people out there of

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interest i will tell you this is the

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most number one popular subject on both

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chant both my channel and it always has

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been the number one subject on my

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website the most views and i get views

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because i track them from all over the

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world on the website

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uh people all over the world for some

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reason are just

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excited interested in it because it's

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such a complex

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subject matter with all kinds of people

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with their fingers in the pie

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and i i think it's it's it's interesting

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and i don't think it's going to go away

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anytime soon and can you tell listeners

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um your websites and where to find you

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yes uh so we our my website which you

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can look and see all vortex photography

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and all the other stuff is truth seeker

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forum dot com of course

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and the uh the youtube channel

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and that's with my partner rainbow and

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actually rainbow's written a lot of

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she actually is a writer for underground

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paranormal underground she's one of the

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main writers there so she's written a

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lot of really interesting things and our

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our youtube channel is dimensional

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walking

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a paranormal journey

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and i think you'd enjoy we probably have

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right now about 40 videos on there and a

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lot of it has to do with our personal

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experience most of the things we always

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talk about has partially personal

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experience in it

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because i i that's what i want to do i

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want to get out what our personal

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experience has been and we do

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mix it with some research we go out in

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field we do we use that what we do now

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and we have in the past done a lot of

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field research too and we will continue

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whenever we can get out and around

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that's so great awesome stuff and i

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can't thank you enough for coming on

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mike

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it was a pleasure thank you very much

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all right have a great rest of your day

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take care sir okay thank you bye-bye

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well there you have it ladies and

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gentlemen mike wazowski definitely

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want to subscribe to his youtube channel

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dimensional walking a paranormal journey

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be sure and join his channel and michael

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has a series on the dulce bass that

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cannot be missed it's extremely

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informative and worth a listen by all

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michael wazowski has delved so deeply

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into dulce i'm glad i'm so glad that he

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came on and was able to share a lot of

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his experiences knowledge and

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he's learned a lot throughout the years

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and brings a lot to the table

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it's it's an amazing

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mystery and i'm very glad that some

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people are still all about it

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it's uh

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it's just one of those things until next

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time keep your eyes to the skies feet on

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the ground and don't forget to take a

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